Legislature(2019 - 2020)Anch LIO Lg Conf Rm

05/08/2020 11:00 AM House LABOR & COMMERCE

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11:07:45 AM Presentation(s): Small Business Relief During the Covid-19 Pandemic
12:53:25 PM Adjourn
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COVID-19 Pandemic
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
          HOUSE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                         
                       Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                        
                          May 8, 2020                                                                                           
                           11:05 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ivy Spohnholz, Chair                                                                                             
Representative Louise Stutes (via teleconference)                                                                               
Representative Zack Fields (via teleconference)                                                                                 
Representative Sara Hannan (via teleconference)                                                                                 
Representative Andi Story (via teleconference)                                                                                  
Representative Mel Gillis (via teleconference)                                                                                  
Representative Sara Rasmussen (via teleconference)                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Prax (via teleconference)                                                                                   
Representative Dan Ortiz (via teleconference)                                                                                   
Representative Bart LeBon (via teleconference)                                                                                  
Representative Sharon Jackson                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  SMALL BUSINESS RELIEF DURING THE COVID-19                                                                     
PANDEMIC                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JON BITTNER, Executive Director                                                                                                 
Alaska Small Business Development Center                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Offered testimony on small business relief                                                               
during the COVID-19 pandemic.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MARISA SHARRAH, President/Chief Executive Officer                                                                               
Great Fairbanks Chamber of Commerce                                                                                             
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Offered testimony on  small business relief                                                             
during the COVID-19 pandemic.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JONATHAN WHITE, Owner                                                                                                           
SteamDot Coffee Company                                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Offered testimony on  small business relief                                                             
during the COVID-19 pandemic.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SARAH LEONARD, President/Chief Executive Officer                                                                                
Alaska Travel Industry Association                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Offered testimony on  small business relief                                                             
during the COVID-19 pandemic.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SERENE HUTCHINSON, General Manager                                                                                              
Juneau Tours and Whale Watch                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Offered testimony on  small business relief                                                             
during the COVID-19 pandemic.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KIRK ROSE, Chief Executive Officer                                                                                              
Anchorage Community Land Trust                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Offered testimony on  small business relief                                                             
during the COVID-19 pandemic.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JEREMY PLANK, Chief Financial Officer                                                                                           
Allen Marine                                                                                                                    
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Offered testimony on  small business relief                                                             
during the COVID-19 pandemic.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SARAH OATES, President/Chief Executive Officer                                                                                  
Alaska Cabaret, Hotel, Restaurant and Retail Association                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Offered testimony on  small business relief                                                             
during the COVID-19 pandemic.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
11:05:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR IVY SPOHNHOLZ called the  House Labor and Commerce Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to order at  11:05 a.m.  Representatives Stutes                                                               
(via  teleconference), Fields  (via teleconference),  Hannan (via                                                               
teleconference),   Story   (via  teleconference),   Gillis   (via                                                               
teleconference),  Rasmussen (via  teleconference), and  Spohnholz                                                               
were present at the call to order.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):   Small  Business  Relief  During the  COVID-19                                                               
Pandemic                                                                                                                        
  PRESENTATION(S):  Small Business Relief During the COVID-19                                                               
                            Pandemic                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:07:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ announced  that the only order  of business would                                                               
be a series of presentations  on small business relief during the                                                               
COVID-19 pandemic.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:07:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JON   BITTNER,   Executive   Director,  Alaska   Small   Business                                                               
Development Center, said he would  provide an update on CARES Act                                                               
funding  allocations for  Alaska, and  discuss current  statewide                                                               
small  businesses  trends.    He  reported  that  the  CARES  Act                                                               
initially distributed  $364 billion  for the  Paycheck Protection                                                               
Program  (PPP),  followed  by  an  additional  relief  bill  that                                                               
included another  $310 billion for  the PPP.   To date,  he said,                                                               
Alaskan  companies have  received over  9,000 PPP  loans totaling                                                               
$1.2  billion.   He  further  noted  that eight  Economic  Injury                                                               
Disaster Loans (EIDLs)  were distributed to Alaskans  for a total                                                               
of $3.1 million.   Regarding the EIDL advances,  which are grants                                                               
of  up  to  $10,000  based   on  the  number  of  employees  that                                                               
applicants  have,  Alaska  received  2,700 grants  for  over  $11                                                               
million.   He stated that  despite the allocation of  federal aid                                                               
funding, the  Alaska's economic  outlook is  still bleak.   After                                                               
relaxing  restrictions on  businesses operations  there continues                                                               
to be fewer consumers patronizing  businesses at both a local and                                                               
national  level, which  he said  will cause  difficulties in  the                                                               
long  term.   He added  that this  in conjunction  with important                                                               
industries in Alaska taking a heavy  hit, such as the oil sector,                                                               
the  tourism  industry,  and  several  others,  has  resulted  in                                                               
desperate economic times  for businesses in this state.   He said                                                               
smaller businesses  in particular  can only  run on  reserves and                                                               
cut costs  for so long before  being forced to shut  their doors.                                                               
He stated that money needs to  be deployed to small businesses as                                                               
quickly and broadly as possible  and with fewer barriers attached                                                               
to receiving  the funds.   Nonetheless,  he opined  that whatever                                                               
funding is deployed, regardless of  the program, it won't be "the                                                               
silver  bullet  solution.    He  said  that regardless  of  which                                                               
action  is taken,  it will  only be  "a stopgap  measure" to  get                                                               
businesses through the next few  months until consumers are ready                                                               
to patronize  them again.   He pointed  out that  businesses were                                                               
asked  to make  a  heavy  sacrifice by  closing  their doors  and                                                               
laying off employees  and all of them  did it.  He  said now it's                                                               
time to support the businesses  that put their livelihoods on the                                                               
line for Alaskans.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:13:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN asked  for the  volume of  businesses that                                                               
would need the available assistance;  further, what hurtles stand                                                               
in the way of making it as streamlined as possible.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BITTNER said  it would  be easier  to define  the businesses                                                               
that  aren't  hurting,  as  most businesses  need  some  form  of                                                               
assistance;  however,  the  most   immediate  need  is  in  small                                                               
businesses  because  they  have  fewer reserves  and  avenues  of                                                               
funding.    He  added  that  if  a  funding  mechanism  has  more                                                               
criteria, it will require more  time to process the applications.                                                               
Some companies  are savvier than  others and have  more resources                                                               
to  hire   professional  assistance  for  their   relief  funding                                                               
applications, whereas it's  more difficult for small  mom and pop                                                               
business.  He recommended making  [the funding mechanism] as easy                                                               
and streamlined  as possible while still  maintaining appropriate                                                               
oversite over the funds.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:15:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS asked  Mr.  Bittner to  address why  small                                                               
businesses need access  to grants in addition to loans.   He also                                                               
asked for an  appropriate breakdown of the $300  million of CARES                                                               
Act relief funds for businesses in terms of grants versus loans.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BITTNER suggested  focusing on a number  of businesses within                                                               
any  given size  range;  for example,  businesses  with under  25                                                               
employees.   He added that  focusing on businesses that  were not                                                               
able to  receive the PPP  and EIDL  funding would narrow  it down                                                               
even further.   He explained  that grants  should be part  of the                                                               
conversation because not  all businesses have the  same access or                                                               
ability to  apply for loans.   Furthermore, there is  a different                                                               
set of criteria  that is involved in a grant  program compared to                                                               
that  of a  loan  program.   He  reiterated that  the  key is  to                                                               
rapidly deploy the funds.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:17:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ  asked for recommendations on  the distinction in                                                               
criteria for a grant program versus a loan program.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BITTNER explained that the ability  to pay back a loan should                                                               
be  considered,  which  would  be  a  difficult  proposition  for                                                               
industries,  such as  the  tourism industry,  as  there are  many                                                               
economic "unknowns"  right now.   He reiterated that  grants have                                                               
different criteria than even forgivable loans.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SPOHNHOLZ  pointed  out  that there  have  been  different                                                               
discussions about  the potential funding  distribution structure.                                                               
She  said  the  governor  has  proposed  distributing  the  funds                                                               
through  Alaska  Industrial   Development  and  Export  Authority                                                               
(AIDEA), while  others have  proposed administering  them through                                                               
the  Department of  Commerce,  Community  & Economic  Development                                                               
(DCCED).    She  asked  which organization  could  execute  rapid                                                               
deployment  and implement  an appropriate  evaluation of  program                                                               
eligibility.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BITTNER answered  no.  He said he does  not know enough about                                                               
the  internal   workings  of  those   organizations  to   make  a                                                               
recommendation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:20:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MARISA   SHARRAH,   President/Chief  Executive   Officer,   Great                                                               
Fairbanks  Chamber of  Commerce, paraphrased  from the  following                                                               
written remarks [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     I  want to  recognize  the challenge  presented to  any                                                                    
     individual,  business, or  government  entity in  their                                                                    
     desire   to   balance    social   responsibilities   of                                                                    
     protecting human  health and protecting  the livelihood                                                                    
     of so many Alaskans. There  are no perfect answers here                                                                    
     and  while   it's  possible  I  will   say  or  suggest                                                                    
     something  that you  or others  may disagree  with, I'm                                                                    
     thankful  the   chance  to  dialogue  in   this  sticky                                                                    
     situation.  The questions  are  messy,  so the  answers                                                                    
     will  also  inevitably be  messy.  Also    most  of  my                                                                    
     testimony is coming straight from my members.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Impacts from Health Mandates:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     A   group   of  economic   development   organizations,                                                                    
     including my  Chamber, rolled out  a business  survey a                                                                    
     few days ago.                                                                                                              
     ? Of  the 87  business that have  responded as  of this                                                                    
     morning,   90%  of   the  businesses   indicated  their                                                                    
     business has  been negatively impacted by  the presence                                                                    
     of  and response  to COVID  and  have seen  significant                                                                    
     decreases in revenue.                                                                                                      
     ? Almost 40% of those  respondents so far have reported                                                                    
     decreases of  50% or  more and  30% of  those employers                                                                    
     have  had to  make employment  reductions so  far. Many                                                                    
     businesses have been  closed for up to 50  days with no                                                                    
     income  due to  lack of  ability to  operate under  the                                                                    
     health mandates as they were rolled out.                                                                                   
     ?  Many businesses  that have  not had  to alter  their                                                                    
     operations  due  to  health mandates  have  still  been                                                                    
     negatively impacted  because their  client's businesses                                                                    
     have been  impacted making their  services unnecessary.                                                                    
     Two examples  of this are  a food supply company  and a                                                                    
     graphic design company.                                                                                                    
     ? Getting  employees back into  the workforce  has been                                                                    
     difficult due to some  very specific challenges ranging                                                                    
     from lack  of childcare options or  employee discomfort                                                                    
     with   returning   to   work,   however,   the   robust                                                                    
     Unemployment Insurance  program is currently  acting as                                                                    
     a disincentive  to return  to work  as many  people are                                                                    
     making as much or more  on unemployment than they would                                                                    
     going  back  to  work   once  their  employer  received                                                                    
     Paycheck Protection Program funding.                                                                                       
     ? Examples                                                                                                                 
          o One employer - 50% of employees opted not to                                                                        
     come  back  to  work  because  the  UI  system  was  so                                                                    
     attractive.  Especially frustrating  for her  right now                                                                    
     as her business will be  opening up today in accordance                                                                    
     with  the   state  mandates  that  also   increase  the                                                                    
     required staffing  for each  shift. This  business used                                                                    
     to only  need 1 employee  per shift, but now,  in order                                                                    
     to   comply  with   monitoring  the   limited  capacity                                                                    
     requirements  and   the  sanitizing   and  disinfecting                                                                    
     portion  of the  mandate she  needs to  have twice  the                                                                    
     amount of staff at one  time with 50% less employees to                                                                    
     pull from. This  business is having to  limit the hours                                                                    
     of their  operation order  to balance  these challenges                                                                    
     related to staffing.                                                                                                       
          o Other challenges are created from the way the                                                                       
     roll out  of mandates  is being handled.  The piecemeal                                                                    
     approach to rolling  out the overall plan  is making it                                                                    
     impossible  to plan  for both  the near  or long  term.                                                                    
     There  is  no clear  timeline  for  when our  community                                                                    
     could expected  to reach  the next  phase in  the plan,                                                                    
     and  the   parament  of  each  future   phase  are  not                                                                    
     published so businesses can't take  a forward look with                                                                    
     any insight on what that plan is going to look like.                                                                       
          o There are obviously devastating impacts to our                                                                      
     tourism  sector   and  that  sector  was   one  of  our                                                                    
     communities  best performing  sectors  prior to  COVID.                                                                    
     Will defer to Sarah for more context.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     PPP/EIDL:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ? Many  businesses in the Interior  were very fortunate                                                                    
     to have  great lenders and accountants  that helped get                                                                    
     PPP  funding. Very  worried those  funds  will have  to                                                                    
     paid  back  since  the   forgiveness  criteria  is  not                                                                    
     currently  understood  or  clearly  published  at  this                                                                    
     time. According  to early results  from survey,  60% of                                                                    
     our  businesses applied  for PPP,  EIDL  or some  other                                                                    
     grant/loan funding.                                                                                                        
     ?  Other businesses  had  challenges  finding a  lender                                                                    
     that would  work with them.  An example was  very small                                                                    
     business   whose  bank   declined   to  process   their                                                                    
     application,  so   they  had  to  go   to  a  different                                                                    
     institution  and start  a new  banking relationship  in                                                                    
     the middle of a business crisis.                                                                                           
     ? Local businesses were discouraged  by the SBA process                                                                    
     for EIDL loans  and describe the process  as clumsy and                                                                    
     rapidly  changing up  to an  including the  application                                                                    
     that you  could find  online at  any given  time. There                                                                    
     was  little to  no communication  or status  updates. 4                                                                    
     weeks  after  applying,  money mysteriously  showed  up                                                                    
     with no announcement or follow up.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Grants vs. Loans:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     ?  Many business  owners  believe  legislators and  our                                                                    
     state's  administration  have   a  vested  interest  in                                                                    
     taking the steps they can  take to boost the economy in                                                                    
     whatever way  they can. If  loans were  made available,                                                                    
     many  business owners  would not  take them  because of                                                                    
     uncertainty.  But many  businesses would  accept grants                                                                    
     if made available.                                                                                                         
     ?  All  business owners  and  executives  I spoke  with                                                                    
     agreed  there should  be oversight  as  to where  grant                                                                    
     funds go or what they could be used for.                                                                                   
     ?  The Fairbanks  Chamber believes  the private  sector                                                                    
     should be  used to the degree  possible. Alaska's banks                                                                    
     and credit unions have demonstrated  they are the right                                                                    
     sector  to  turn to  in  the  processing of  loans  and                                                                    
     government backed grants.                                                                                                  
     ? We do need to  determine which groups qualify   based                                                                    
     on a  simple formula like  number of employees  or last                                                                    
     year's  revenue or  some sort  of broad-based  criteria                                                                    
     that  any   non-profit  or  business   has  immediately                                                                    
     available. Funds should be distributed  based on a pro-                                                                    
     rata  base   for  whatever  criteria   is  established.                                                                    
     Banking  industry   is  concerned  about   the  current                                                                    
     proposal from  AIDEA as written. If  it were rewritten,                                                                    
     restructured  and  simplified,  the industry  would  be                                                                    
     more  excited about  take a  second  look and  possibly                                                                    
     jump in and process grants given by the state.                                                                             
     ? Local entities  that might be trusted  to develop the                                                                    
     program for local businesses to  apply for state backed                                                                    
     grants  or  loans  would   be  any  community  Economic                                                                    
     Development Corporation.                                                                                                   
     ? The  Fairbanks Chamber do encourages  legislators and                                                                    
     administration to  find ways  to address the  gaps that                                                                    
     were  created  by health  mandates  early  on to  allow                                                                    
     businesses  to reasonably  function  going forward  and                                                                    
     deploy any available funds to  businesses in a way that                                                                    
     protects our economy and our employers.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     As we're  responding to  this situation,  the Fairbanks                                                                    
     Chamber's  collective desire  is  to  move people  back                                                                    
     into the  workforce and that we  protect our healthcare                                                                    
     infrastructure system.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:32:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SPOHNHOLZ  asked  Ms. Sharrah  to  describe  the  concerns                                                               
expressed by  the banking industry about  the governor's proposal                                                               
to  use the  Alaska Industrial  Development and  Export Authority                                                               
(AIDEA) for small business funding.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SHARRAH explained  that the  banking  industry is  concerned                                                               
about the current written proposal  from ADIEA.  According to the                                                               
banking industry,  the proposal  is overly complicated  and would                                                               
be difficult  to execute.   She said  that the industry  would be                                                               
more comfortable  if the  proposal were  rewritten, restructured,                                                               
and  simplified in  a way  that streamlines  the application  and                                                               
distribution process to help banks and businesses.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:33:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  asked if the  banking industry  is planning                                                               
to  give  their  feedback  to  AIDEA  regarding  the  application                                                               
process and loan eligibility.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SHARRAH  was  unsure  and  offered to  follow  up  with  the                                                               
requested information.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:35:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JONATHAN   WHITE,  Owner,   SteamDot  Coffee   Company,  provided                                                               
perspective from a small  business's standpoint, particularly one                                                               
that is  on the frontlines trying  to work through the  myriad of                                                               
challenges  presented  [by  COVID-19] during  this  unprecedented                                                               
time.  He recounted that as  the pandemic started to unfold, many                                                               
businesses were  asked to make  severe changes to  their business                                                               
to help stop the spread.  He  opined that the low number of cases                                                               
across  the state  is due,  in large  part, to  how the  business                                                               
community responded.  He explained  that businesses like SteamDot                                                               
were faced  with the  difficult decision of  trying to  stay open                                                               
while complying with state and  municipal guidelines and weighing                                                               
that decision  against the health  and safety of  their employees                                                               
and customers.   The result  was the closure of  many businesses,                                                               
including SteamDot  Coffee Company.   He said  that in  the early                                                               
days, he used  the company's on-hand cash to  continue paying his                                                               
employees  until the  available cash  was depleted,  which lasted                                                               
under two  payroll cycles.   Nonetheless, it allowed him  to keep                                                               
over 40 retail employees on  payroll despite the business's doors                                                               
being closed.   He  reported that SteamDot  received a  PPP loan;                                                               
however,  it  is a  short-term  fix  to  keep his  employees  off                                                               
unemployment.   He  noted that  in early  June the  loan will  be                                                               
depleted.   He said if  revenues don't  return by that  time, his                                                               
business will  face the same  cost-benefit analysis  of remaining                                                               
open  with limited  service  capacity,  potentially resulting  in                                                               
laying  off  or  furloughing  employees   or  closing  its  doors                                                               
entirely.  He stated that as  the economy reopens, there is still                                                               
tremendous trepidation  from customers.  SteamDot's  revenues are                                                               
30  percent of  what  they would  normally be  after  10 days  of                                                               
reopening, he said.   He offered his belief  that businesses will                                                               
perform  better  if  they  can  operate  safely  and  follow  the                                                               
government mandates.   He remarked, "Businesses  stepped up, they                                                               
responded, and now they need help."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:40:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITE opined that it's not  the government's role to bail out                                                               
businesses;  however, it  is the  government's responsibility  to                                                               
ensure a  healthy economy for  its citizens.   He stated  that it                                                               
does not matter  which mechanism is used to  distribute the CARES                                                               
Act funds.  He said as  long as its  done quickly, businesses are                                                               
"agnostic."   He  added that  the  longer those  funds remain  in                                                               
limbo, the  more businesses  will suffer.   Regarding  the grants                                                               
versus  loans  discussion,  he offered  his  belief  that  grants                                                               
should  be  the only  method  worth  consideration based  on  the                                                               
uncertainty  and  confusion surrounding  the  PPP  loans and  the                                                               
restrictive  nature  of the  EIDL  program.   He  explained  that                                                               
businesses need cash  flow for operations not  related to payroll                                                               
and rent,  which are both  narrowly prescribed in the  PPP loans.                                                               
Cash  in the  hands of  businesses would  go a  long way  towards                                                               
keeping them afloat until the  economy begins to reset under some                                                               
assemblance  of normalcy.   He  approximated  that under  AIDEA's                                                               
proposal,  the  $200  million  that   was  set  aside  for  small                                                               
businesses  by  the  governor  would   only  reach  around  2,000                                                               
entities at  an average loan of  $144,000 each.  However,  if the                                                               
funding were  modeled after the  EIDL program with grants  in the                                                               
amount of $10,000,  it could reach upwards  of 29,000 businesses.                                                               
He suggested that the state  quickly deploy the CARES Act funding                                                               
to as many small businesses as possible.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:44:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  asked what  mandates regarding  face masks                                                               
or other  recommended practices would give  customers reassurance                                                               
that the  risk of contracting  the coronavirus  while patronizing                                                               
businesses is being minimized.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WHITE  expressed his  disappointment  at  the lack  of  face                                                               
coverings worn by  both customers and employees.   He opined that                                                               
wearing  a  mask   has  become  a  political   symbol  for  some.                                                               
Nonetheless,  he explained  that SteamDot  has a  mask policy  in                                                               
their cafes  and that overall,  their customers  are appreciative                                                               
of the business's  safety precautions.  He stated  that it's been                                                               
a  struggle  to  operate  with the  current  health  mandates  in                                                               
addition  to  customers  who  are   weary  of  venturing  out  of                                                               
quarantine to spend money.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:48:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ  shared an anecdotal  example of  an asymptomatic                                                               
carrier  who tested  positive for  COVID-19.   She addressed  the                                                               
importance of masks  and social distancing to  control the spread                                                               
of  the virus  and  to  help support  the  reopening of  Alaska's                                                               
economy.  She  asked if additional funding  with more flexibility                                                               
is necessary  and whether businesses  that have  already received                                                               
loans from other programs should be excluded.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITE  addressed the restrictive  nature of the  EIDL program                                                               
and  said it  would seem  unfair to  restrict certain  applicants                                                               
from  more assistance  because of  the SBA  guidelines.   He said                                                               
it's strange that the state  would model the funding distribution                                                               
after  the PPP,  despite the  forgivable aspect  of that  program                                                               
being "mired in mystery."  He  opined that $290 million for small                                                               
businesses  is  not  nearly  enough.   He  echoed  Mr.  Bittner's                                                               
sentiments  about  small businesses  being  the  backbone of  the                                                               
communities                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:54:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SARAH LEONARD,  President/Chief Executive Officer,  Alaska Travel                                                               
Industry Association,  informed the committee that  Alaska Travel                                                               
Industry Association  (ATIA) is  the statewide voice  for tourism                                                               
businesses  in  the  state  and markets  Alaska  as  the  premier                                                               
traveler's destination.   She stated  that the  COVID-19 pandemic                                                               
is  decimating Alaska's  tourism  industry.   She shared  several                                                               
personal  anecdotes from  tourism  businesses  owners across  the                                                               
state.  She  conveyed that the travel  restrictions have impacted                                                               
every  tourism sector  entry point  from cruise  cancellations to                                                               
air  travel  limitations  to  restricted  road  access  from  the                                                               
Canadian border  closure.  She  reported that many of  ATIA's 650                                                               
member  businesses have  had  to  lay off  employees  due to  the                                                               
impacts of COVID-19.  Tourism  businesses and nonprofit community                                                               
members are facing the devastating  decision of whether to endure                                                               
this summer  and try to  capture revenue from  potential in-state                                                               
travel  or to  close entirely.    The main  concern that  tourism                                                               
businesses have expressed is the  urgent need for liquidity.  She                                                               
explained  that tourism  businesses looked  to the  federal CARES                                                               
Act program  for help; however,  both the  PPP loan and  the EIDL                                                               
grants were  either too  restrictive or came  far short  of their                                                               
actual  need.   Furthermore, the  federal programs  did not  take                                                               
into consideration the seasonality  of many tourism businesses in                                                               
Alaska and  included complicated formulas in  their applications.                                                               
She noted  that smaller tourism businesses  often lack sufficient                                                               
formal documentation to meet traditional  loan requirements.  She                                                               
explained that  the loan programs  have provided  some businesses                                                               
with   a   two   to  three-month   pause;   however,   collateral                                                               
requirements  and  personal guarantees  only  add  to a  business                                                               
owner's financial burden when any  incoming revenue is uncertain.                                                               
She  stated  that  changing  loans to  grants  may  help  tourism                                                               
businesses stabilize and  be ready to recover when it  is safe to                                                               
travel again.   She suggested  that a direct program  for tourism                                                               
businesses administered by ATIA would  provide the help that they                                                               
need  to  survive  and  would fill  the  gap  between  additional                                                               
federal and  state assistance.   She explained that if  ATIA were                                                               
to work  with the  Department of  Commerce, Community  & Economic                                                               
Development  (DCCED), they  could distribute  $10 million  to 500                                                               
struggling  businesses  with  individual grants  of  $20,000  for                                                               
basic operating  costs that would  help them maintain  until next                                                               
year  when  travelers  can  potentially return.    Such  a  grant                                                               
program  could provide  Alaska  tourism  businesses the  critical                                                               
help  them  need  from  a familiar  organization  to  maintain  a                                                               
minimal  level  of  operations.     She  related  that  ATIA  has                                                               
extensive experience managing grants  and contracts for the state                                                               
of Alaska through DCCED.   She informed the committee that ATIA's                                                               
board   of  directors   put  together   a   working  group   with                                                               
representation  from their  partners  at the  state to  formulate                                                               
tourism protocols to allow for a safe path towards recovery.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
12:02:38 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ commented on Ms.  Leonard's proposal for the ATIA                                                               
to administer  a grant program.   She said  it makes sense  for a                                                               
program  like that  to be  administered by  an organization  that                                                               
knows the industry  and has a good track  record and relationship                                                               
with  the  government.   She  asked  Ms.  Leonard to  submit  the                                                               
information about  the proposal so  it can be distributed  to the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:03:57 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SERENE  HUTCHINSON,  General  Manager,  Juneau  Tours  and  Whale                                                               
Watch, stated that  90 percent of Juneau Tours  and Whale Watch's                                                               
guests are  from the  summer cruise  ships.   She noted  that her                                                               
company is independent  and relies on online  bookings and Juneau                                                               
dock vendors  rather than  cruise line  contracts.   She recalled                                                               
seeing refunds  coming in at an  alarming rate on March  9, 2020,                                                               
which set in motion plans to  lay off all twelve of the company's                                                               
winter  staff in  case  they  had to  pay  back  the $500,000  in                                                               
presales.  She said the refunds  kept pouring in, adding that she                                                               
is currently refunding  $10,000 per day.  She  explained that the                                                               
business  had  to  lie  dormant  to  survive,  prioritizing  only                                                               
essential payments like mortgages.   She reported spending $1,000                                                               
to secure help  with the challenging PPP loan  application from a                                                               
local accounting  firm.  She  said it  paid off, as  her business                                                               
was awarded a  large PPP loan.  She  addressed the technicalities                                                               
of using the  PPP loan correctly, which has  resulted in rehiring                                                               
12  employees who  are  performing  8 weeks  of  work that  isn't                                                               
necessarily essential.   Furthermore, eight months  is not enough                                                               
time to use  even one-third of their PPP loan.   Nonetheless, she                                                               
said they  must use  the PPP  funds as they  were intended.   She                                                               
further noted that  two of her skilled mechanics did  not want to                                                               
return  to  work because  of  how  much  they were  earning  from                                                               
unemployment.   She  said had  to guarantee  them four  months of                                                               
work, despite the  PPP only covering two.  She  stated that as an                                                               
entrepreneur, she  is not looking  for a free ride;  however, she                                                               
is looking for  clarification and consideration.   She added that                                                               
grants could  be the  savior for  small businesses  whereas loans                                                               
only  delay the  inevitable, especially  for seasonal  businesses                                                               
that are  potentially looking  at no  revenue until  spring 2021.                                                               
She reiterated that  grants are essential if  the legislature and                                                               
the government  truly want to rescue  small businesses, otherwise                                                               
there will be waves of bankruptcies.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
12:12:24 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SPOHNHOLZ noted  that Alaska's  unemployment benefits  are                                                               
amongst the  lowest in  the nation in  terms of  wage replacement                                                               
value.    She  added  that  the maximum  earnings  per  week  for                                                               
unemployment in the state of  Alaska is $370 plus a per-dependent                                                               
benefit of $75.  She explained  that the additional $600 per week                                                               
from the federal  CARES Act supplement has allowed  people on the                                                               
lower end  of the  income spectrum to  make more  on unemployment                                                               
than they ever  earned from a wage; however,  those benefits will                                                               
expire in  July 2020.   She acknowledged that  rehiring employees                                                               
who are  on unemployment has  been difficult for  some businesses                                                               
due to a  combination of higher earnings from UI  and fear of the                                                               
health risks associated with returning to work.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUTCHINSON  explained that  her mechanics  wanted to  stay on                                                               
unemployment to  make decent  money for  three months  instead of                                                               
good money  for two.   She suggested  extending the  PPP's 8-week                                                               
period to 16 or  20 weeks to allow for her and  others to use the                                                               
entirety of their  loans the way they were  intended.  Otherwise,                                                               
she said, she  will have to return two-thirds of  the funding she                                                               
was awarded from the program.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:16:19 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KIRK  ROSE, Chief  Executive  Officer,  Anchorage Community  Land                                                               
Trust, explained that Anchorage Community  Land Trust (ACLT) is a                                                               
nonprofit  organization working  to disrupt  concentrated poverty                                                               
in Anchorage.   He said he  would provide the committee  with the                                                               
perspective from  business corridors  that they don't  often hear                                                               
from, as  many of  his business owners  are not  from traditional                                                               
groups.   He said that  70 percent  of ACLT's clients  are women-                                                               
owned  businesses,  and  roughly  80 percent  of  their  business                                                               
owners  and entrepreneurs  are people  of  color.   Additionally,                                                               
close to 92  percent of ACLT's business  owners and entrepreneurs                                                               
are  considered  low  income.   He  stated  that  businesses  are                                                               
closing, entrepreneurs  are deferring their dreams,  upstarts are                                                               
in hibernation,  and shifting operations  is not easy.   He added                                                               
that there is a huge risk of a generational loss of businesses.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  said support needs to  be immediate and provided  to as                                                               
many as possible.  He conveyed  that small mom and pop businesses                                                               
had  a very  difficult time  with the  PPP.   He opined  that the                                                               
program would prove to be  extremely unequitable overall and most                                                               
importantly, that the  PPP was never intended to  be a solve-all.                                                               
He offered  his belief that  the PPP  reaffirms a system  of have                                                               
and have  nots.   He said the  program is  unnecessarily complex,                                                               
slow  to  arrive,  and  difficult   to  spend  correctly.    Most                                                               
importantly, it did not help  all Alaskan businesses.  He pointed                                                               
out that the PPP has  injected necessary capital into the economy                                                               
and undoubtedly  saved jobs; however,  it has been a  disaster in                                                               
terms of  equity, communication,  and expectation.   He  said the                                                               
intended recipients  of the  PPP were  small businesses  who, for                                                               
all the right reasons, shut  down or operated at severely limited                                                               
capacity  to help  flatten the  curve.   He  emphasized that  the                                                               
errors  of the  PPP should  not be  recreated.   He continued  to                                                               
explain that the exclusivity of  the PPP served bigger businesses                                                               
with sophisticated  books and established  banking relationships,                                                               
which  is not  characteristic of  many small  Alaskan businesses.                                                               
The  program excluded  mom and  pop  businesses, seasonal  shops,                                                               
sole proprietors,  and minority  business owners, and  those that                                                               
did no not have large finance  departments or the ability to hire                                                               
technical assistance to help with their applications.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE expounded  that the  "mad dash"  for funds  was also  a                                                               
challenge, adding  that the first-come/first-served  criteria was                                                               
problematic  and established  a system  where prioritization  was                                                               
based on highest loan volume  clients.  He reiterated that almost                                                               
none  of   his  business  affiliates  received   first-round  PPP                                                               
funding,   because  it   didn't  work   for  businesses   lacking                                                               
sophisticated  book-keeping,   the  mom  and  pops   who  weren't                                                               
immediately prepared or  businesses that had to try  and create a                                                               
new   relationship  with   a  bank   or  financial   institution.                                                               
Consequently,    immigrant-owned    businesses,    minority-owned                                                               
businesses   and   seasonal   businesses  did   not   receive   a                                                               
proportionate  share of  the  PPP funding,  if any  at  all.   He                                                               
stated that  these businesses suffered  from a  large information                                                               
gap  and felt  extremely  dejected.   He  said  that because  the                                                               
relief  did not  reach all  Alaskan businesses,  the state  funds                                                               
should attempt  to correct  that.   He opined  that the  state of                                                               
Alaska has done  nothing for businesses that did  not receive the                                                               
PPP  or  EIDL.    He  addressed  the  confusion  surrounding  the                                                               
forgiveness  aspect   of  the  PPP,  adding   that  asking  small                                                               
businesses to  take on debt  after nearly two months  of closures                                                               
puts them in  a precarious position.  In  closing, he highlighted                                                               
some "bright spots," including the  launch of several businesses.                                                               
He  articulated that  for a  new wave  of businesses  to come  to                                                               
fruition, they require support and an access to capital.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:26:59 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JEREMY PLANK,  Chief Financial Officer, Allen  Marine, provided a                                                               
brief   description  of   his   company,   Allen  Marine,   which                                                               
encompasses day tours, an overnight  cruise brand, and a shipyard                                                               
in  Sitka that  services all  of their  vessels.   He noted  that                                                               
Allen  Marine employs  150 year-round  employees  in addition  to                                                               
upwards  of 550  seasonal employees  during the  months of  April                                                               
through September.   In  March, they  were forced  to lay  off 76                                                               
percent  of their  workforce as  a result  of the  pandemic.   He                                                               
stated  that  COVID-19  has  had a  catastrophic  impact  on  his                                                               
business.  He  reported that they are forecasting  upwards of 90-                                                               
95 percent  loss of revenue  for the 2020  season, all at  a time                                                               
when they have already spent a  large part of their annual budget                                                               
in preparation  for guests that, now,  will not be arriving.   He                                                               
recalled  how the  travel restrictions  and cruise  cancellations                                                               
impacted his  company, beginning in  January.  Since  then, Allen                                                               
Marine applied  for both the  PPP and  the EIDL and  received PPP                                                               
funds; however,  those funds are in  question as to how  much can                                                               
be used if they are to  be forgivable.  Furthermore, after laying                                                               
off  so  many  employees,  the  ability to  use  the  funds  they                                                               
received while complying with the grant guidelines is difficult.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLANK  said that according  to the current  grant guidelines,                                                               
75  percent  of  the  funds  must be  used  for  payroll  related                                                               
expenses; however, Allen Marine  is a capital-intensive business,                                                               
so deciding  how to  allocate the PPP  funds has  been difficult.                                                               
Additionally,  recounted trying  to  source EIDL  funds from  the                                                               
SBA.  He  explained that Allen Marine received  the initial grant                                                               
of $10,000,  albeit with no  further communication.   He remarked                                                               
that  the  PPP  worked  as  a stopgap  for  the  short-term,  but                                                               
companies like Allen  Marine are in need of  additional funds, as                                                               
many  of them  rely on  the months  of May  through September  to                                                               
provide their  revenue for  the season.   He further  opined that                                                               
grants  are the  preferable  mechanism of  funding because  loans                                                               
require a debt  service and the ability for  companies to service                                                               
those debts  is in jeopardy  given the COVID-19  restrictions and                                                               
the  lack of  2020  revenue.   He acknowledged  that  AIDEA is  a                                                               
viable method  for distributing funds,  as is private banks.   He                                                               
emphasized that  the main concern  is timeliness and  the ability                                                               
to  deploy  the  money  to   Alaskan  businesses  as  quickly  as                                                               
possible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PLANK responding  to a  question from  Representative Story,                                                               
said  roughly 97-98  percent of  his business  is direct  tourism                                                               
from other  states and  other regions.   He  added that  in 2019,                                                               
Allen  Marine carried  335,000 passengers  off  the large  cruise                                                               
brand.   He explained  that with  cruise ship  cancellations, his                                                               
company will  have to source passengers  from independent travel,                                                               
which is  not part of their  typical business model and  won't be                                                               
substantial  enough  to  generate   meaningful  revenue  for  the                                                               
business.    He  stated  that  there  are  also  still  questions                                                               
revolving  around the  COVID-19 restrictions  and whether  guests                                                               
will be allowed to fly from  other regions and board Allen Marine                                                               
vessels in Alaska.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:36:30 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   JACKSON  asked   if  Allen   Marine's  liability                                                               
insurance will cover any losses this year.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLANK  answered no.   He  explained that  Allen Marine  has a                                                               
substantial  insurance program;  however,  the  company does  not                                                               
carry loss of revenue insurance due to its high deductibles.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ asked if Mr. Plank had to lay off any employees.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PLANK  answered  yes.     He  said  Allen  Marine  initially                                                               
furloughed  130 employees,  90 of  which have  been converted  to                                                               
full-time  layoffs.   He expressed  his hope  that a  late season                                                               
would allow the  roughly 40 employees that are  still on furlough                                                               
to return to work in July, August, or September.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
12:39:21 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SARAH OATES,  President/Chief Executive Officer,  Alaska Cabaret,                                                               
Hotel, Restaurant  and Retail  Association, paraphrased  from the                                                               
following written remarks [original punctuation provided]:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      Dear Honorable Members of the House Labor & Commerce                                                                      
     Committee:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The  Alaska Cabaret,  Hotel, Restaurant,  and Retailers                                                                    
     Association (Alaska CHARR)  represents over 800 members                                                                    
     statewide over 85% of which are small businesses.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  economic  impacts  of COVID-19  have  reverberated                                                                    
     throughout  the state,  with few  industries being  hit                                                                    
     harder  than tourism  and  hospitality.  These are  the                                                                    
     places you celebrate  your birthdays, sports victories,                                                                    
     anniversaries,  personal  losses,  and  even  just  the                                                                    
     places you  go to get  away from the stresses  of life.                                                                    
     They are the heart of  every community across our great                                                                    
     state and right now, many are struggling to survive.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     This is the worst tourism  season Alaska has ever seen,                                                                    
     which  has   been  and  will  be   detrimental  to  the                                                                    
     hospitality  industry.  The  majority of  our  industry                                                                    
     temporarily  closed  their  establishments    or  never                                                                    
     opened them for the season    in compliance with health                                                                    
     mandates and  for the protection  of public  health and                                                                    
     safety. Survey  results of the  economic impact  to the                                                                    
     Alaska   hospitality   industry   are  dire:   22%   of                                                                    
     respondents  who own  restaurants  have indicated  that                                                                    
     they  will not  recover  from this     their doors  are                                                                    
     shuttered  permanently.  April  survey results  of  the                                                                    
     hospitality industry  (which includes  other businesses                                                                    
     like  bars, hotels,  and liquor  stores) also  show the                                                                    
     following alarming statistics:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     ?  Over 50%  of  respondents  temporarily closed  their                                                                    
     establishments                                                                                                             
     ? 60% laid off employees                                                                                                   
     ?  26% changed  their business  models to  remain semi-                                                                    
     operational                                                                                                                
     ?  54%  of respondents  reported  same  store sales  in                                                                    
     early April  to be  down more than  70% from  this time                                                                    
     last year                                                                                                                  
     ? 83% of respondents expect  their year-end sales to be                                                                    
     down over 50% from last year                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The  number one  necessity for  small businesses  right                                                                  
     now is immediate  cash flow. The only  options thus far                                                                  
     have been  to apply  for Economic Injury  Disaster Loan                                                                    
     (EIDL)  assistance through  the  SBA or  for a  Payroll                                                                    
     Protection   Program   (PPP)   loan   through   lending                                                                    
     institutions.  There have  been  countless issues  with                                                                    
     these options,  and considering the  circumstances, the                                                                    
     3.75% interest  rate for EIDL  is high. Aside  from the                                                                    
     $10,000  advance,  many  of our  businesses  have  been                                                                    
     reluctant to  apply for new  loans and incur  new debts                                                                    
     while  they  have little  to  no  current revenue,  and                                                                    
     unknown future revenue.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Many  hospitality businesses  applied for  and received                                                                    
     PPP  funding  which  could   be  forgivable,  but  that                                                                    
     requires 75%  of the  funds to  be paid  toward payroll                                                                    
     expenses, which  do not include employer-paid  taxes. A                                                                    
     huge percentage of our businesses  have been closed for                                                                    
     eight  weeks    and some  will  continue to  be    with                                                                    
     thousands  of  employees being  laid  off  who are  now                                                                    
     receiving  huge  unemployment insurance  benefits  with                                                                    
     the  added federal  contributions.  Businesses are  now                                                                    
     reopening,  all  of  whom are  actively  attempting  to                                                                    
     rehire staff  or hire  a new  workforce. Many  of those                                                                    
     employees are  refusing to return  to work  for various                                                                    
     reasons. Many of our businesses  will be unable to meet                                                                    
     the 75%  payroll threshold  over the  eight-week period                                                                    
     following  the  loan  origination  date,  in  order  to                                                                    
     receive loan  forgiveness. Those businesses may  now be                                                                    
     facing  having to  repay  six-figure  loans within  the                                                                    
     next two years with unknown income.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     I  implore  you  to   support  the  Alaska  hospitality                                                                  
     industry when  it needs you  the most by  taking action                                                                  
     that  will allow  small  businesses  and nonprofits  to                                                                  
     apply for and  receive grants from the  State of Alaska                                                                  
        and  to do  so  expeditiously     so that  we  might                                                                    
     collectively  return our  attention  to surviving  this                                                                    
     economic  crisis. As  noted  earlier, the  overwhelming                                                                    
     feedback I've received from  businesses in our industry                                                                    
     is that they  are reluctant to apply  for loans because                                                                    
     of continued unknows around revenue streams.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     There  must be  oversight for  any grant  distribution.                                                                    
     Criteria should  include how  many (or  what percentage                                                                    
     of)  staff  were laid  off,  and  consideration of  the                                                                    
     percentage of decreased revenue  from March through May                                                                    
     as  compared to  2019. Funds  should be  made available                                                                    
     expeditiously and to as many  businesses as possible in                                                                    
     order   to  prevent   more   businesses  from   closing                                                                    
     permanently.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     I  will  also  briefly  note that  Alaska  CHARR  is  a                                                                    
     501(c)(6)  nonprofit  corporation  which     like  many                                                                    
     other nonprofits in  Alaska   does not  qualify for the                                                                    
     PPP loan.  Nearly half of  our annual revenue  comes in                                                                    
     between  March  and  June,  from  membership  dues  and                                                                    
     training   fees.  That   revenue  stream   came  to   a                                                                    
     screeching  halt when  the industry  that we  represent                                                                    
     had to shut down nearly  completely in order to protect                                                                    
     the public. Alaska CHARR has  had to make staff layoffs                                                                    
     and significant cuts to wage  staff hours during a time                                                                    
     when the industry that we  represent has needed us more                                                                    
     than ever before. These cuts were  not due to a lack of                                                                    
     work   they  were due to a lack  of financial certainty                                                                    
     and support  for our nonprofit.  With very  few options                                                                    
     for relief  right now, the  future of our  nonprofit is                                                                    
     uncertain.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Thank you for  your consideration and for  all that you                                                                    
     are doing in these challenging times.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:45:43 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ  offered her  understanding that  most nonprofits                                                               
are eligible for the PPP.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  OATES clarified  that qualifying  nonprofits are  charitable                                                               
organizations,  501(c)(3),   and  veterans'   organizations,  501                                                               
(c)(19).                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ further  pointed out that if  an individual turns                                                               
down  an offer  of employment  and  he or  she does  not have  an                                                               
underlying  health  condition  or  children at  home,  then  that                                                               
person   is  committing   unemployment  fraud   and  would   lose                                                               
unemployment benefits.   She  emphasized that  unemployment fraud                                                               
is  punishable  by law.    She  highlighted points  from  today's                                                               
testimony, beginning  with the PPP.   She stated that the  PPP is                                                               
well  intentioned;   however,  it  is  complicated   and  largely                                                               
inaccessible.  She  added that the EIDL is  also inaccessible, as                                                               
only eight Alaskan  businesses have been eligible.   She observed                                                               
that as  businesses are completely retooling  their operations to                                                               
comply  with   public  health  mandates,   they  are   taking  on                                                               
additional  expenses, which  additional relief  funds could  help                                                               
finance.   She  further  summarized that  small businesses  would                                                               
prefer grants instead  of loans.  She  addressed Alaska's diverse                                                               
economy and  said it would be  terrible to lose the  diversity of                                                               
the state's small businesses [to this pandemic].                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
12:51:19 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES noted that employees who return to work                                                                   
part time are still eligible for federal unemployment benefits.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ acknowledged that HB  308 allows Alaskans who are                                                               
underemployed  to be  eligible for  unemployment  benefits.   She                                                               
offered her  belief that it  creates an additional  incentive for                                                               
Alaskans to return to work - if only for a few hours per week.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
12:53:25 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Labor and Commerce Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at                                                                  
[12:53] p.m.                                                                                                                    

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Topics and Questions for HL&C Presenters 05.08.2020.pdf HL&C 5/8/2020 11:00:00 AM
Small Business Relief
Comments by Sarah Oates, Alaska CHARR, before HL&C 05.08.2020.pdf HL&C 5/8/2020 11:00:00 AM
Comments by Marisa Sharrah, Fairbanks Chamber of Commerce, before HL&C 05.08.2020.pdf HL&C 5/8/2020 11:00:00 AM